Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16 1581 Ilya Repin (1844-1930)

I think this painting is called Ivan the Terrible killing his son. Is that correct?

Natalia, the title of the painting is written correctly here: Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan dated November 16, 1581. By the way, its not a certainty that Ivan the Terrible actually killed his son. There are different versions...

I always thought that this painting was called Ivan the Terrible Killing His Son.

Its simply a name that everyone knows. And besides, looking at the painting, its impossible to think of anything else! Its clear theyre not just messing around with pastries!

He struck his son in the temple with the tassel of his cane, but whether he killed him or not is unknown.

Of course he killed! But overall, I really like the painting. It makes you think…

Its not right to be so categorical. The fact that he was hit is a historical fact, and the fact that Ivan Ivanovich died a week later is also true. So, its quite possible that someone helped him [die].

он погиб!!!!

мне очень нравится эта картина!!!

In the remains of the Tsarevich, as well as in those of his father, an extremely high concentration of mercury was found, up to 1.3 mg per 100 grams of sample (the natural background is hundredths of a milligram). The natural arsenic levels were also significantly exceeded. As informed by the Moscow Research Institute of Forensic Medicine: When examining hairs extracted from the sarcophagus of Ivan Ivanovich, no blood was found. The Tsar did not kill his son with a scepter, the artist Repin lied, having read Karamzin too much.

эта ужас...

It no longer matters whether Repin was mistaken or not. It is a magnificent painting, and all we can do is admire this masterpiece.

давайте о картине говорить, а не о названии, м?

Did he kill? Did he not kill? What difference does it make now? Nothing can be brought back. Russia is a country that has suffered greatly. It has endured so much. And it will endure more. If, of course, we dont die out first. We seem to have bad luck when it comes to leaders.

Жалко его...

What difference does it make in history whether Ivan the Terrible killed his son or not? The main thing is the plot of the painting. You can look at the painting and say that the man in monastic robes killed the man in the pink caftan? Focus on the intention of the artwork. Repin did not set out to tell us whether or not Ivan the Terrible killed his son, which is why he titled the painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan dated November 16, 1581. By the way, the quality of the reproduction is poor; the colors are all wrong.

Some people feel sorry for him, others dont care, but I think that if he hadnt killed him, everything would have been different in history.

Грозный с ума сходил, вот и убил.

The painting is horrifying; it makes you look at it with dread. Why? Its unsettling to see a father killing his own child. Especially when the father is Ivan the Terrible. This figure has already been surrounded by legends and myths. People attribute all sorts of things to the great Moscow Tsar. He was considered insane, called a devil, a recluse, but at the same time, everyone acknowledged that he actually held power and made Russia a strong state.
Theres no doubt that he killed his son, but theres also no doubt that both were not meant to live long lives in this world. During the Soviet era, their burial sites were discovered in the Dormition Cathedral of the Kremlin, and examinations of the remains revealed a shocking truth. Both were poisoned with mercury. Slowly, methodically, constantly. So even if the Tsar hadns killed his son, he himself would have died soon anyway. At least, its certainly known that Ivan the Terrible died from mercury poisoning.
But Repins painting shocked everyone. It was the chosen composition, the chosen depiction of these figures. And most importantly, how they were portrayed. By the way, initially, the artist wanted to include a retinue around them, but he soon changed his mind, deciding that a more intimate setting would be emotionally stronger. Then Repin began searching for models. He found the interiors of the Tsars chambers in the Boyar House of the 17th Century museum; the chair, mirror, and caftan of the Tsarevich were taken from items in the Armory Chamber, the Tsars staff was copied from a scepter in the palace of Tsarskoye Selo, and the chest was found in the Rumyantsev Museum. And Repin began working furiously, able to work for days, weeks, months from morning till night. He tortured himself, drove himself to exhaustion. Sometimes he would start working and paint for a long time, then stop and hide the canvas away from himself and his loved ones, but then he would return to it again. He reworked many things and created new versions over and over again until he was convinced that the final version was right.
And when the work was finished and exhibited, it caused a sensation. People came in droves to see the artists creation, and they left the exhibition amazed and depressed. Such intense emotion once led to trouble. Years later, one of the museum visitors, after looking at Repins paintings and seemingly having moved on from that particular painting, suddenly rushed back to it and, with a knife in his hand, shouted: Enough blood! The knife plunged three times into the canvas, right where the faces of the Tsar and Tsarevich were depicted. The vandal was arrested, and there was a scandal; the canvas seemed irreparably damaged. Repin himself arrived, and he was asked to save the painting. He agreed, but... It wasnt the same Repin who had worked on that canvas before – his style of work, his method, had changed. He depicted new colors, practically restored the faces, but they looked completely different. The artist Grabar noticed this and, after Repin left, he risked restoring everything, but in a different way. He erased all the new colors applied by Repin and tried to subtly restore what had been depicted by Repin at that time. And it seems he succeeded because neither the author nor we today actually notice the damage inflicted on the canvas by the vandal.

Картина прекоасна настолько настолько печальна

ау нас памятник поставили Ивану Грозному в Орле

он основал г. Орел

Another version of the file.

On the evening of May 25, 2018, a visitor to the Tretyakov Gallery intentionally damaged Repins painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16, 1581. The vandal broke the protective glass with a stand, as a result of which the canvas was torn in three places. The painting has been removed from display and is being worked on by restorers. According to unofficial information, the restoration is estimated at a minimum of 500,000 rubles. The vandal, Igor Podporin, has been detained, handed over to the police, and a criminal case has been opened.

Statement from the State Tretyakov Gallery regarding the attack on the painting by I.E. Repin Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16, 1581 (1885, canvas, oil. 199.5 x 254), which belongs to the collection of the State Tretyakov Gallery (inventory No. 743).

On May 25, 2018, at 20:55, shortly before the museum closed, during a commission inspection of the permanent exhibition of the Tretyakov Gallery in Lavrushinsky Lane, a man among the last visitors to the museum broke through into the already empty hall of I.E. Repin, passing through a group of employees of the Tretyakov Gallery who were conducting a routine inspection of the halls before closing, and struck the glass-covered canvas of the painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan... several times with a metal stand from the barrier.

As a result of the blows, the thick glass that protected the work from temperature and humidity fluctuations was broken. The painting has sustained serious damage. The canvas is torn in three places in the central part of the work, on the figure of the tsarevich. The authors artistic frame was also severely damaged by the falling glass. Fortunately, the most valuable parts – the images of the faces and hands of the Tsar and the Tsarevich – were not affected.

Thanks to the professional and selfless actions of museum guards and security personnel of the Tretyakov Gallery, the vandal was disarmed, detained, and handed over to law enforcement agencies. An investigation is underway.

After receiving information about the incident, the chief curator, restorers, the management of the museums security service, as well as employees of a specialized firm for working with works of art immediately arrived at the scene to take urgent measures to save the work of art. The General Director of the Tretyakov Gallery is on a business trip abroad, but he has up-to-date information and is constantly in contact with museum staff by phone, informing the management of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation about what happened.

After the initial investigative measures were completed, restorers from the Tretyakov Gallery carried out urgent emergency work – glass fragments were removed, the painting and frame were dismantled, after which the work was removed from the permanent exhibition and transferred to the museums restoration workshop.

Restorers from the Tretyakov Gallery immediately began to study the consequences of the blows and develop a comprehensive program for restoring the work of art. Among the priority actions is the holding of an expanded restoration council with the participation of leading specialists in the country.

In the 20th century, research into the burials of Moscow grand princesses and tsars revealed that the mother of Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich, Elena Vasilievna Glinka (died in 1538), and his first wife, Anastasia Romanova (died in 1560), were poisoned with mercury. The theory of infanticide was refuted by historical science as early as 20th century, when the fact of poisoning of the Tsar himself was established. Nevertheless, these dirty fabrications have not only not been disproved in the mass media, but are still deliberately spread to this day. By the way, mercury poisoning is a very painful experience. Everything that is dear and Russian has been distorted beyond recognition by lies. And the biggest blow was dealt to the Russian Autocracy. Even our relatively recent history, including authentic accounts of the Patriotic War, is still being studied based on those fragments of terrible truths that were once whispered from mouth to ear (if one wasnt afraid) by close acquaintances and witnesses. Archives from the period of a hundred years of slavery are still inaccessible, with the prospect of their destruction.

According to some sources, the first elephant in Russia appeared during the reign of Ivan the Terrible. To avoid aggression from a neighbor, the Persian Shah Tahmasp gifted a Russian tsar an elephant, along with an Arab who cared for the animal. The poor elephant could not have imagined that Russia would be so unwelcoming to it.

It all started when the elephant traveled several thousand miles on foot, from Persia to Moscow. After that, exhausted, it collapsed before the Russian Tsar. Two hundred archers struggled to get it back on its feet. Ivan the Terrible was very pleased that such a huge creature had bowed to him and ordered that the elephant be fed as if it were himself.

However, the poor animal apparently did not die of natural causes. According to one version, a holiday was being celebrated in Red Square, and the elephant was forgotten in the commotion. When it was brought to bow to the Tsar, it probably thought about food and didnt bow at all. Instead of bowing, the elephant trumpeted angrily in the Tsars face.

In his anger, Ivan the Terrible exiled the elephant, along with the Arab, to the north. The Arab soon died. Then the Russian Tsar ordered the elephant to be killed as well. Soon, people who came to carry out Ivan the Terribles order discovered that the elephant had escaped from the barn where it was kept. They found it near the grave of its owner, the Arab. There, the elephant was finally killed.

This is a touching story about the cruelty of Ivan the Terrible.

Repin, as a realist, masterfully conveyed the atmosphere of what was happening. The emotional state of the Tsar is simply striking. There are practically no parallels in world painting, except perhaps for Francisco Goyas Saturn Devouring His Son. But there is one major caveat. I wouldnt hang such a painting in my home because it carries a clear sense of negativity – murder. I understand the artists ambitions. I. E. Repin wanted to create an original masterpiece, and thats how it should be. No great artist can exist without big ambitions. However, the painter could not foresee the consequences of his creation – attempts on the painting, which resulted in its restoration several times. The conclusion is obvious: the painting has a very negative effect on people with unstable minds. And even those with normal ones. So, draw your own conclusions. I would advise the staff of the Tretyakov Gallery to put the painting away in storage, just to be safe. Or display a copy or reproductions of the painting in a smaller format, because the scale of the canvas itself has a negative effect on people. Repins mistake was taking too large a canvas for such a subject matter, where there is a pool of blood, the murder of his own son, and fear and horror visible on the Tsars face.

Im reading the comments... Did he kill him or not? What difference does it make...? And here we have In our city...
But there is a big difference. They portray our rulers as monsters, while they depict us as barbarians. But for us, it doesns matter...
It has long been established that Ivan the Terrible did not kill his son. In modern terms, its fake news! And Repin, whether intentionally or unintentionally, created a situation where this fake became very widespread. I hope it was unintentional....