Единоборство князя Мстислава Владимировича Удалого с косожским князем Редедей часть 1 - Russian and soviet artists Русские и советские художники

According to Solovyov and Karamzin, the fight between Mstislav and Rededya was a fistfight, in order not to harm people and horses (at Rededyas suggestion). The painting depicts naked warriors, presumably to show that Mstislav has nothing hidden under his robes. When Rededya began to lose this fair fight, Mstislav turned to the Virgin Mary for help, and after that, he stabbed his opponent. But where did the knife come from? Did prayer really help, and did the Virgin Mary provide it? The conclusion is obvious. Just look at the painting, presumably by Ivanov, or other artists, and read about this historical event in the works of the aforementioned historians. By the way, according to them, Mstislav went to war against the Kosog tribe, and later against his own brother Yaroslav. A worthy man. By the way, who were the Kosog? Why were Adyghe (Circassians) considered separate tribes at that time, while now the Kosog include Circassians, Adyghe, Kabardians, and other tribes? What happened to the Kosog tribe, which was still considered a separate entity in the 11th-12th centuries? And immediately after the disappearance of the Kosog, Cossacks appeared with the same culture, traditions, bravery, honesty, even lifestyle and clothing. I know little about the Cossacks, only that those in power always respected and feared them. By the way, during that historical period, all tribes lived in harmony, mutual aid, and friendship, which is why each of these peoples considers Rededya their national hero. They still pronounce his name with reverence and love. And his name sounds slightly different in their language. I dont want to blame our historians for distorting even Rededyas age (he had two sons, while Mstislav had two daughters of almost the same age, so Rededya could not have been much older than Mstislav; unless he was a long-lived man who married late in life and was physically stronger). Its interesting that Peter I, at his mothers insistence, married Lopukhina. This noble family traces its origins to the descendants of Rededyas son and Mstislavs daughter. What attracted the Romanov family to the Lopukhin lineage? I dont think it was Mstislavs glorious feats. And what made Mstislav himself marry Rededyas sons to his daughters? I doubt it was a sense of shame, especially since the Virgin Mary was on his side. (Its hard to imagine the Virgin Mary or any other divine being putting a knife in the hands of an aggressor so that he could build a church in her honor; and for some reason, this reminds me of Mr. Bean with his mothers portrait by Wisler. Mr. Bean sneezed on the portrait, then wiped off the saliva along with his mothers face, and then drew the missing parts with a marker). Is that what our justice is like? No, I dont like this painting or this story. Remember the song... from a pure source... we begin our journey. Rededya followed his path from a pure source, lived in its light, and departed, illuminated by its light. But we have become unable to see the ugly lie disguised behind a beautiful facade. A childs scribbles are more valuable because they contain sincerity, which means truth.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. If theys agreed to fight, where did such a noble and wise man like Mstislav get the knife that he used to stab Ridada?

In Adyghe legends, the name Mstislav is associated with the epithet the Coward...

To the author of the first comment:

You dont need to be a genius to understand that the painting is not a realistic depiction. Accordingly, the artist painted the battle as he saw fit. The fact that Mstislav stabbed Reded with a knife is stated in Russian sources, not Kasogian ones. Therefore, the latter are not misrepresenting the former. If you find it uncomfortable to accept history as it is, then at least dont confuse others.

Regarding the Kasogs, I also want to express my thoughts. Firstly, there is an opinion that Kasogs is an exonym, not an ethnonym, in other words, a foreign name. Just like Circassians. Secondly, if it is indeed an ethnonym, then most likely they became prominent in history because they were the strongest Adyghe tribe. This practice exists. For example, the Kabardinians are more well-known than other sub-ethnic groups. However, I am not trying to elevate them above others; Im simply stating a fact. Thats all.

All the authors, except for Konstantin, dont know what they are talking about; Mstislav didnt have two daughters. These are baseless assumptions and idle speculation.

P. S.: And the most obvious question arises: what is the price of our Motherland, ladies and gentlemen?

Modern Cossacks have the concept of Rede, meaning that the Circassians called them by this name in the Caucasus, while on Rus they were known as Cossacks. Mstislav was a dishonest and despicable person!

The Udege people have an ancient song about the duel between Redada and Mstislav (the cowardly one). The song is not a historical account, and it cannot be rewritten to please the ruling class.

Throughout their lives, the brothers and sisters are constantly manipulated and pitted against each other by a vile, lying father, a fallen angel. God deliberately shows people that its not only true that there is only one step from love to hate, but also that the distance from nobility to moral degradation is far from insignificant! Only Reason – a gift from God – makes a person human, for it is the most important weapon against deceit, the enemy of humankind, all children of God!

The duel took place before the Kasog army, and if Mstislav had been dishonest in that fight, the Rededi warriors would not have left without a battle, and it was unlikely that Mstislav would have survived.

The topic was whether I liked Ivanovs painting. I expressed my opinion. I want to ask Konstantin about the chronicles of Kasog sources; it would be interesting to read them. Moreover, it is written there that Mstislav did not stab Ridada with a knife. Apparently, he cut himself. The people you know are not slandering Mstislav, but Russians are slandering themselves, so I dont like accepting the history of these events. Super! And I would like to learn about the Kasog chroniclers. Your exonyms and ethnonyms made a deep impression on Ekaterina (or is she a myth? And you yourself wrote even more valuable pearls). To tell you more, Mstislav had a wife in addition to his daughters, and she was also of Caucasian origin (ethnonym-exonym). And Mstislav himself was from the Vikings (Varangians). For those interested in why Mstislavs retinue did not seek revenge, I will answer: there was an agreement that the victor should not harm the family or people of the vanquished, and the latter should not seek revenge. The word of the Kasog prince is law. It is difficult to understand, but THOSE WITH PURE HEARTS will understand after becoming acquainted with the moral-ethical code of the Adyghe people. Everyone knows about this event from school days. The painting is before you. You can read Karamzin and Solovyov, and other chroniclers. I hope that all the peoples of Russia will understand the barbarity of immoral actions, and that the Motherland does not limit itself to its own ego, a stupid head, pitiful desires, intolerance towards other nations and opinions. I really want us all to start living by a code of honor, only then can we talk about our historical mission in the world.

In Soviet times, the Leningrad Museum housed a chronicle of that era and a historical account of how Rededya Rededay three times knocked Mstislav to his back. When they were tired and sitting down peacefully talking, Mstislav took a small knife from his boot and plunged it into Rededyas throat. Then he broke a thorny bush or shrub, sprinkled it with his blood, and said to everyone that in the duel, Rededya had stumbled and pierced his neck on the broken thorny bush. The troops were at a considerable distance, and the two figures fighting were barely visible, as agreed. But this historical account actually began not with the confrontation or war with scythes, but with Mstislavs request for Rededya to join his Kozhsk horsemen to pacify his brother and divide the inheritance after their fathers death, because he was born from a Jewish woman and was entitled to only a small portion. To this, Rededya protested, saying that he would not go against his brother because he had helped preserve ancient Kievan Rus solely from external enemies with his invincible Kozhsk horsemen. Mstislav insisted that without his cavalry, he would not leave and that it would be difficult to come to an agreement with his brother. Then, seeing that he would not give up easily, Rededya suggested a duel of unarmed combat. If you defeat me, he said, you can take my cavalry, my wife, and my children.

No one, not even the Virgin Mary, helped Mstislav, a Jew. The pro-Jewish Khazar Khaganate also tried to subdue both the Adyghe and the Russians by creating discord, but in 964 it was defeated – and who defeated it? By the Kosagi warriors! Then came Mstislavs betrayal of Rededya, the conversion of Rus under a Judas born from a Jewish woman, serfdom under a false tsar, and the subjugation of the Caucasus. The extermination of the Adyghe (Circassians), Chechens, and other peoples of the North Caucasus took place.

How many people want to rewrite history to suit their own tastes! Well, if you dont like that a Rusich killed a Circassian, then if it cannot be denied, you must definitely state that he did it dishonestly, secretly.
And, for example, Russian ultra-patriots are also very unhappy that the Golden Horde, with one swift blow, turned their Holy Russia into ashes (the entire Batu invasion of the Vladimir-Suzdal lands lasted only 4 months – from December to April) and made it a vassal of the Mongols for 250 years. The conclusion is simple – therefore, there was no yoke at all. Of course, its much nicer to read Fomenko and watch Three Bogatyrs! (That the word bogatyr is a Mongolian word baatur, and that Dobrynya Nikitich and Alesha Popovich, who died in the Battle of Kalka (1223), were BRAVE, and they killed baaturs, you probably hear about this for the first time?)
Returning to Mstislav and Reded. You, lords of revisionism, do not realize what light you cast on the ancient people of the Kasogs, no, not Mstislav.
It turns out that in front of the entire Kasog army, their beloved leader was treacherously killed, and he, the warriors (all as one!), meekly went to serve the murderer. Well, and Rededs wife and children? She later lived at the princely court and was part of the Tmutarakan elite. Mstislav became the godfather of her sons, and soon gave his daughter Tanya to Rodeda as a wife. By the way, many Russian aristocratic families descended from their marriage – Ushakov (do you remember the admiral?), Beleutovs, Dobrynskys, Sorokoumov-Glebovs, etc.
And Rededas childless son Yura, two years after his fathers death, gave his life for Mstislav in the Battle of Listven, fighting against the Varangian Yaroslav the Wise.
Well, who was he fighting for there, if you ask – for a fratricide? There is nothing to say, good Kasogs...
But none of this happened because it couldnt have. But heres what did happen – Im going to tell you now. Yes, Mstislav killed defenseless Rededa. Because he was dying in agony with a twisted neck, or a fractured skull, or a broken spine. To ease the suffering of the dying man. This was an act of mercy. And everyone perfectly understood this – the warriors who had witnessed hundreds of such deaths perfectly saw and understood everything. They certainly could not be deceived by saying that Rededa scratched himself on thorns, as a certain smart person wrote above.
And why did the Kasogs later go to serve Mstislav? Because they were people of honor and word. Which was later confirmed by the Kyiv princes when the descendants of these Kasogs – the black klubuki – defended Kyiv from Polovtsian raids in the Porosye region.