Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16 1581 Ilya Repin (1844-1930)

Помоему эта картина называется “Иван Грозный убивает своего сына”. Ошибка?

Наталья, название картины здесь написано абсолютно правильно: Иван Грозный и сын его Иван 16 ноября 1581 года. Кстати, вовсе не факт, что Иван Грозный действительно убил своего сына. Есть разные версии...

Я тоже все время считал, что эта картина называется“Иван Грозный убивает своего сына”.

просто такое название у всех на слуху. да и тем более посмотрев на картину невозможно подумать что-либо другое! явно они не плюшками балуются!

Осерчав ударил сына набалдашником трости в висок, а убил ипи нет, неизвестно.

Конечно убил! А вообще мне очень нравится картина. Заставляет задуматься...

не стоит быть столь категоричными. ударил – исторический факт. и то, что Иван Иванович умер через неделю после этого – тоже. так что ему вполне могли помочь

он погиб!!!!

мне очень нравится эта картина!!!

В останках царевича, также как и в останках его отца, было обнаружено крайне высокое содержание всё той же ртути, до 1,3 мг на 100 грамм навески (естественный фон – сотые доли милиграмма). Значительно был превышен и естественный фон по мышьяку. Как проинформировал московский НИИ судебной медицины: “При исследовании волос, извлеченных из саркофага Ивана Ивановича, крови не обнаружено”. Не убивал жезлом царь своего сына, сбрехнул художник Репин, начитавшись Карамзина.

эта ужас...

Уже совсем неважно ошибся Репин или нет. Это великая картина и нам остается только созерцать сие творение.

давайте о картине говорить, а не о названии, м?

Убил, не убил. Какая теперь разница. Назад ничего не вернешь. Россия многострадальная страна. Чего только не пережила. И еще переживет. Если, конечно, не вымрем. Нам"везет" на правителей.

Жалко его...

какая разница убил или не убил Грозный своего сына в истории, сюжет картины вот что главное, вы можете посмотрев на картину сказать, что человек в монашеской одежде убил человека в розовом кафтане? исходите из замысла произведения. Репин не ставил перед собой задачу рассказать убивал или не убивал Грозный своего сына, поэтому и назвал картину "Иван Грозный и сын его Иван 16 ноября 1581 года. " качество репродукции кстати корявое, все цвета не те.

Комуто его жалко, комуто без разницы, а мне кажется, что еслибы он не убил его то в истории всё бы былобы по другому!

Грозный с ума сходил, вот и убил.

The painting is horrifying; it makes you look at it with dread. Why? Its unsettling to see a father killing his own child. Especially when the father is Ivan the Terrible. This figure has already been surrounded by legends and myths. People attribute all sorts of things to the great Moscow Tsar. He was considered insane, called a devil, a recluse, but at the same time, everyone acknowledged that he actually held power and made Russia a strong state.
Theres no doubt that he killed his son, but theres also no doubt that both were not meant to live long lives in this world. During the Soviet era, their burial sites were discovered in the Dormition Cathedral of the Kremlin, and examinations of the remains revealed a shocking truth. Both were poisoned with mercury. Slowly, methodically, constantly. So even if the Tsar hadns killed his son, he himself would have died soon anyway. At least, its certainly known that Ivan the Terrible died from mercury poisoning.
But Repins painting shocked everyone. It was the chosen composition, the chosen depiction of these figures. And most importantly, how they were portrayed. By the way, initially, the artist wanted to include a retinue around them, but he soon changed his mind, deciding that a more intimate setting would be emotionally stronger. Then Repin began searching for models. He found the interiors of the Tsars chambers in the Boyar House of the 17th Century museum; the chair, mirror, and caftan of the Tsarevich were taken from items in the Armory Chamber, the Tsars staff was copied from a scepter in the palace of Tsarskoye Selo, and the chest was found in the Rumyantsev Museum. And Repin began working furiously, able to work for days, weeks, months from morning till night. He tortured himself, drove himself to exhaustion. Sometimes he would start working and paint for a long time, then stop and hide the canvas away from himself and his loved ones, but then he would return to it again. He reworked many things and created new versions over and over again until he was convinced that the final version was right.
And when the work was finished and exhibited, it caused a sensation. People came in droves to see the artists creation, and they left the exhibition amazed and depressed. Such intense emotion once led to trouble. Years later, one of the museum visitors, after looking at Repins paintings and seemingly having moved on from that particular painting, suddenly rushed back to it and, with a knife in his hand, shouted: Enough blood! The knife plunged three times into the canvas, right where the faces of the Tsar and Tsarevich were depicted. The vandal was arrested, and there was a scandal; the canvas seemed irreparably damaged. Repin himself arrived, and he was asked to save the painting. He agreed, but... It wasnt the same Repin who had worked on that canvas before – his style of work, his method, had changed. He depicted new colors, practically restored the faces, but they looked completely different. The artist Grabar noticed this and, after Repin left, he risked restoring everything, but in a different way. He erased all the new colors applied by Repin and tried to subtly restore what had been depicted by Repin at that time. And it seems he succeeded because neither the author nor we today actually notice the damage inflicted on the canvas by the vandal.

Картина прекоасна настолько настолько печальна

ау нас памятник поставили Ивану Грозному в Орле

он основал г. Орел

Другая версия файла

On the evening of May 25, 2018, a visitor to the Tretyakov Gallery intentionally damaged Repins painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16, 1581. The vandal broke the protective glass with a stand, as a result of which the canvas was torn in three places. The painting has been removed from display and is being worked on by restorers. According to unofficial information, the restoration is estimated at a minimum of 500,000 rubles. The vandal, Igor Podporin, has been detained, handed over to the police, and a criminal case has been opened.

Statement from the State Tretyakov Gallery regarding the attack on the painting by I.E. Repin Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16, 1581 (1885, canvas, oil. 199.5 x 254), which belongs to the collection of the State Tretyakov Gallery (inventory No. 743).

On May 25, 2018, at 20:55, shortly before the museum closed, during a commission inspection of the permanent exhibition of the Tretyakov Gallery in Lavrushinsky Lane, a man among the last visitors to the museum broke through into the already empty hall of I.E. Repin, passing through a group of employees of the Tretyakov Gallery who were conducting a routine inspection of the halls before closing, and struck the glass-covered canvas of the painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan... several times with a metal stand from the barrier.

As a result of the blows, the thick glass that protected the work from temperature and humidity fluctuations was broken. The painting has sustained serious damage. The canvas is torn in three places in the central part of the work, on the figure of the tsarevich. The authors artistic frame was also severely damaged by the falling glass. Fortunately, the most valuable parts – the images of the faces and hands of the Tsar and the Tsarevich – were not affected.

Thanks to the professional and selfless actions of museum guards and security personnel of the Tretyakov Gallery, the vandal was disarmed, detained, and handed over to law enforcement agencies. An investigation is underway.

After receiving information about the incident, the chief curator, restorers, the management of the museums security service, as well as employees of a specialized firm for working with works of art immediately arrived at the scene to take urgent measures to save the work of art. The General Director of the Tretyakov Gallery is on a business trip abroad, but he has up-to-date information and is constantly in contact with museum staff by phone, informing the management of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation about what happened.

After the initial investigative measures were completed, restorers from the Tretyakov Gallery carried out urgent emergency work – glass fragments were removed, the painting and frame were dismantled, after which the work was removed from the permanent exhibition and transferred to the museums restoration workshop.

Restorers from the Tretyakov Gallery immediately began to study the consequences of the blows and develop a comprehensive program for restoring the work of art. Among the priority actions is the holding of an expanded restoration council with the participation of leading specialists in the country.

В 1990-х годах в результате исследования захоронений московских великих княгинь и цариц был выявлен факт отравления сулемой матери государя Иоанна Васильевича, Елены Васильевны Глинской (умерла в 1538 году) и его первой жены Анастасии Романовой (умерла в 1560 году). А версию о сыноубийстве историческая наука опровергла еще в 1963 году, установив тогда же факт отравления самого государя. Тем не менее, грязные измышления не только не были опровергнуты в масс-медиа, но муссируются искусственно до сих пор. Кстати, отравление ртутью -- это очень и очень больно... Все наше родное, русское, изувечено ложью до неузнаваемости. И самый большой удар приняло на себя Русское Самодержавие. Народ наш даже свою не столь давнюю историю, включая подлинные свидетельства об Отечественной войне, до сих пор изучает по тем крупицам страшной правды, которую в свое время из уст в уста шепотом передавали (если не боялись) близкие, очевидцы. Архивы периода столетнего рабства до сих пор недоступны, с перспективой на уничтожение.

According to some sources, the first elephant in Russia appeared during the reign of Ivan the Terrible. To avoid aggression from a neighbor, the Persian Shah Tahmasp gifted a Russian tsar an elephant, along with an Arab who cared for the animal. The poor elephant could not have imagined that Russia would be so unwelcoming to it.

It all started when the elephant traveled several thousand miles on foot, from Persia to Moscow. After that, exhausted, it collapsed before the Russian Tsar. Two hundred archers struggled to get it back on its feet. Ivan the Terrible was very pleased that such a huge creature had bowed to him and ordered that the elephant be fed as if it were himself.

However, the poor animal apparently did not die of natural causes. According to one version, a holiday was being celebrated in Red Square, and the elephant was forgotten in the commotion. When it was brought to bow to the Tsar, it probably thought about food and didnt bow at all. Instead of bowing, the elephant trumpeted angrily in the Tsars face.

In his anger, Ivan the Terrible exiled the elephant, along with the Arab, to the north. The Arab soon died. Then the Russian Tsar ordered the elephant to be killed as well. Soon, people who came to carry out Ivan the Terribles order discovered that the elephant had escaped from the barn where it was kept. They found it near the grave of its owner, the Arab. There, the elephant was finally killed.

This is a touching story about the cruelty of Ivan the Terrible.

Repin, as a realist, masterfully conveyed the atmosphere of what was happening. The emotional state of the Tsar is simply striking. There are practically no parallels in world painting, except perhaps for Francisco Goyas Saturn Devouring His Son. But there is one major caveat. I wouldnt hang such a painting in my home because it carries a clear sense of negativity – murder. I understand the artists ambitions. I. E. Repin wanted to create an original masterpiece, and thats how it should be. No great artist can exist without big ambitions. However, the painter could not foresee the consequences of his creation – attempts on the painting, which resulted in its restoration several times. The conclusion is obvious: the painting has a very negative effect on people with unstable minds. And even those with normal ones. So, draw your own conclusions. I would advise the staff of the Tretyakov Gallery to put the painting away in storage, just to be safe. Or display a copy or reproductions of the painting in a smaller format, because the scale of the canvas itself has a negative effect on people. Repins mistake was taking too large a canvas for such a subject matter, where there is a pool of blood, the murder of his own son, and fear and horror visible on the Tsars face.

Читаю комментарии... "Убил не убил, какая разница..." и следующий "А у нас в Орле..."
А разница большая. Из наших царей делают монстров, а из нас дикарей. А нам нет разницы...
Уже давно установлено, Грозный не убивал сына. Говоря современным языком, это фейк! А Репин, вольно или не вольно, сделал так, что этот фейк стал очень распространенным. Надеюсь, неумышленно....